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Tests and Discussion Questions - What's the Difference?

"Virtually all learning difficulties that children face are caused by adults' inability to set up reasonable environments for them. The biggest barrier to improving education for children, with or without computers, is the completely impoverished imaginations of most adults."

- Alan Kay, in Scholastic Administrator, April/May 2003


Almost without exception, my life has been blessed by adults with rich imaginations, who challenged me to find and apply my natural strengths to solve real problems as I encountered them.

Because these adults were adventurous gardeners, they fashioned environments around me where I experienced just enough challenge and just enough frustration to flourish. As a result, my native curiosity and creativity grew deep roots. I learned to think of myself as a smart, resourceful human being who, with the help of others, could do whatever I set my mind to do.

But I've lived long enough - and taught long enough - to realize that not everyone has been as lucky as I.


What Slot Machines, Video Games and Legos Have to Do With E-Learning

I just read a very interesting post on Tom Kuhlmann's blog.

Tom is writing about the need he perceives for people who love electronic teaching to master the art of creating tension in learning environments. Just enough tension. But not too much. Because, as he says, learners need to be challenged enough to stay motivated. To stay engaged. But they also need to feel safe.

As he write, "the key is to instigate problem-solving, provide feedback, and allow for adjustments."

So, Tom's post got me wondering about the most skillful way to use tests, discussion questions, and debates here in this environment at LearnHub.

And that got me posting this lesson, hoping we could all learn something about challenge and motivation and safety - together.


My Personal Experience

I, for one, do not enjoy tests. I never have and I don't think at 57 I'm going to wake up suddenly one morning feeling differently. Tests create too much tension for me. They make me feel like I'm inside a box, with only one way to escape. And when I feel like that, I can't make very good use of the feedback I get. I can get out of the box (or I wouldn't have finished my Master's degree with flying colors), but I don't learn much on the way.

On the other hand, I thrive on the challenge of a well-framed discussion question. Or the back and forth of a substantive debate.

I realize that many people don't share my experiences. Some people actually enjoy tests. Some people lock up in debates or discussions.

But when so much of what is called "education" these days hinges on test performance, it seems to me we need to be clear about the distinctions between these tools and clear about what we're doing when we use them. Creating tension is not the same as creating learning.

So, what's the difference between these three, really? And what's the best way for us to use them here to create safe - but highly engaging - learning environments?

Believe me, I've read lots of theory about all this. I'm more interested in others' experience than arguing about how many angels can dance on the head of a pin. So, how about you?


WHAT TO DO NEXT:

Leave your comments about the questions below, using text and pictures.

(If anyone wants a VOICETHREAD, so you can talk outloud and hear what others have to say, use my contact link to send me a message here and I'll post one right away.)

  1. How do you experience tests, discussions, and debates differently?
  2. What's been your experience using one or the other to instigate problem-solving, provide feedback and allow for adjustments with your students?
  3. What's the best way for us to be using them here at the LearnHub (or elsewhere) to develop robust inquiries that help people get from Point A to Point B?
  4. Should there be some "rules" here about how we use tests, discussions and debates here, or not?
  5. Is this list of questions a test - or a stimulus for discussion?


  1. csrd saidSun, 20 Apr 2008 14:49:07 -0000 ( Link )

    Dear M, your attitude brought a smile, after going through the list, another smile because :-)

    5) this list is a good stimulus for discussion.

    4) as there are rules for any game, let there be systemic rules.

    3) it all depends on what Point A and Point B are or going to be.

    2) my students ( not online ) enjoy my tests, discussions and debates because these focus on what they want to learn.

    1) I smile before, during and after the tests; I keep my cool throughout the discussions; I stop when the debate produces only heat and not light any more.

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  2. mawstools saidSun, 20 Apr 2008 19:39:53 -0000 ( Link )

    I love the poetic and frequently counter-exemplary perspectives you bring to discussions, Dr. R. You broaden the field we’re playing on. I especially enjoy your description of how you manage your own experience during the various “plays” of the game – tests, discussions, and debates.

    I want our two Democratic presidential candidates to learn from you how to stop when the debate “produces only heat and not light any more.” I have been learning so much from both of them throughout the winter and the early spring… and right now it looks as if Barak is losing his balance and I feel disappointed. I have been really enjoying watching him maximize the light… until the last ten days or so.

    We’re all being tested right now, in this country, on what it takes to revive and sustain democracy… At least that’s my experience.

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  3. Shouldice saidMon, 20 Oct 2008 20:54:04 -0000 ( Link )

    and here I was all smug thinking I would answer these questions in reverse order….thanks csrd for stealing my smug :-)

    The list is a great stimulus for discussion. I certainly hope it wasn’t a test as I wasn’t really prepared for a test

    Rules are good. They are better if they are organic. Let there be no rules until they are required. My sister and I for example never had a curfue when we were growing up. We had expectations around our behaviour and our understanding of those expections always had us home long before any curfue would have.

    The best way to be using them I think will grow organically as well from the results of points a and b. I see discussion happening first followed perhaps by debate…less likely a test..but one never does know.

    I am not sure that I have ever used a test to solve a problem: discussion and debate will often get me there provided as csrd says that there is still light being generated from the heat.

    I experience tests with apprehension, discussion with joy and debate with passion.

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  4. mawstools saidMon, 20 Oct 2008 21:40:51 -0000 ( Link )

    I share your sentiments about testing, Shouldice, and appreciate your doubts about using them as “rules.” The value of this list to me is the comprehensiveness of the research… as a basis for comparison with my own experience. Guess that makes me a good Buddhist (grin). Doubt everything is still my motto after 58 years.

    Thanks for taking time to comment here!

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  5. Shouldice saidWed, 22 Oct 2008 17:34:29 -0000 ( Link )

    no worries Mawstools. If we don’t comment how will we ever find the brilliance that is hidden in our collective.

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